The Imperial Shipyards
Kenner / Hasbro Collecting => Black, Mission, and Saga Legends Series => Topic started by: Tamer on June 12, 2021, 06:43:35 AM
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So, were are getting the next HasLab in the Black Series and its not going to be a vehicle so we are left with playsets and or beasties. What do you think it is gonna be? Keep in mind the anniversary of ROTJ is soon too.
I keep hearing rumors of the Rancor and they could do some cool things with that and maybe even do a palace playset on top of it so you could drop some poor unfortunate Gammys down. Not to mention if the book of Boba is used as inspiration. Man, could you see Boba on the Throne with his gal and her booze?
If I am thinking over the top I would love to see the Imperial Platform on Endor as that would mean we might be able to get a Walker and Shuttle down the road. I just keep thinking why in the heck would you not make the first 6" HasLab a vehicle? I mean there are so many needed in this scale and lets face it would Hasbro ever make a Walker without it being a HasLab Project too?
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Im thinking rancor myself. Remember a couple of years ago at one of the cons or fairs, hasbro built that jabbas palace dio? The thing had more custom figures than actual produced figures. So now we're getting bib fortuna and we had rotj boba fett come out recently. I think it was a foreshadowing without revealing anything specific. But i mean it could be anything. AT-ST would make the most practical sense, being it's tall rather than wide. I think that would be a good, but expensive main line vehicle
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@JDeck: I thought of the same thing! SDCC 2017 was a huge inspiration and Hasbro was not sparing with any expenses on their massive diorama setup for The Back Series. This showed how much passion they actually have for the 6 inch line. Sky is the limit is what they kept saying and their booth was proof for that!
Anyway...I'm excited!
SDCC 2017 Hasbro SW Black Reveals by Daniel Pickett (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwobuVum3tIWZNKHhErfmYw)
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Yeah, I think one day the AT-ST will probably get built (probably the next anniversary of TESB or something along those lines). Its not too huge to be out of the range like a Walker (man that has got to be a HasLab top tenner).
For this time out still thinking ROTJ and you make some good points about figures being released that would definitely work with it. I can gaurantee you if it is a Rancor they will release a special figure or three as campaign goal unlocks.
What would be really cool is a Rancor Pit to go with and then have the dias somehow fit on top of it all. I don't know that I have ever seen those two environments put together (the Pit and the Dias). Man it would be huge in the six inch scale. Surely it would just be more than a Rancor though.
And does anyone think they would do some type of dio or set piece?
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Very glad its TBS this time. Just hope it isn't like $200-$300 or w/e I'm not trying to sound cheap just tired of Hasbro making customers over pay for stuff that should be regular release products. Just look at the barge it was/is soo overwhelmingly received that it could have easily been a mass release product (maybe not brick an mortar). The whole game of scarcity is killing the IP it's been past a point that only the die-hard-disposable-income-nerd or flipper/resaler can get any of the stuff. The only caveat with haslab is its preorder availability.
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I think for sure you can count on this one being the four to five hundred dollar range at least. If its 6" in scale, I can also see them upscaling the prices too.
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I can see a lot of people pulling for a Death Star Playset. Now that would be cool. I can't even imagine the size it would be, but thats what I think would be cool for HasLab, you try out a huge project to see if it could get funded.
I mean HasLab is just their version of kickstarter right? Why not shot for the clouds?
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Hasbro finally shares some more insight of the HasLab Rancor in their Fan First Friday livestream on YouTube, which is dedicated solely to the Rancor! They also revealed the first tier goal for this project:
The actual presentation begins at 9:55
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Heard a rumor that the scale was going to be off in a smallish way.
Besides, after the razor crest being pushed back, I’m thinking of giving Haslab some cautious discretion for a bit.
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I nabbed one. Bet it gets unlocked and we get some even better stretch goals.
The way I figure it is if we don't support these things our choices and the amount of time between releases will get sparser and sparser.
And I am always here to put a bug in Hasbro's ear about the projects we want.
Like a Death Star Playset or Jawa Sandcrawler or Star Destroyer or AT-AT. Heck even an AT-ST would work, but I would think that would work in their regular line and wouldn't need to be crowd funded.
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Did everyone see the front page news about the second unlock yesterday?
https://hasbropulse.com/collections/haslab/products/star-wars-the-black-series-rancor
We get some bones. It was at 5, 107 when I looked yesterday and is down to 5,095 today.
I am beginning to think this one won't get backed unless they really announce some fabulous unlock or something, even then I think its gonna be close.
I just don't think it is large enough in this scale to be honest. It looks off to me. And a cardboard insert? Man, pretty cheap for what you are putting into this.
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Even if tier 3&4 are the coolest things ever, it still has to reach that point. It doesn't look good. I think it's over priced and people are hoping the unlocks will make up the difference, but it wont.
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I agree, just reading the comments about the Rancor and its Tiers on YakFace and JTA. I wasn't interested in the Rancor from the beginning and even if I had the money and space, I wouldn't buy it. I think it's a cool sculpt, but way too expensive compared to previous products like the Snowspeeder.
The Black Series is a cool line and it's more than justified that TBS fans finally got their chance at a HasLab project. It's even available through Zavvi in the UK and therefore available in the rest of Europe, but import fees included (thanks to BREXIT) it'd cost me about $540. I rather buy TVC figures and vehicles for that money...or have my car repaired. lol
Which vehicles by the way? Merrick's X-Wing is hard to get here in Germany. And I'm still waiting for the Bespin Cloud Car to join the Vintage Collection...
Anyhew I'm quite optimistic that the Rancor will happen adding all the pre-orders from Europe at the end. It'll even reach the first 2 Tiers, which are extremely lazy for a premium project like HasLab imo. As you say, it's just overpriced and the additional goodies they've come up with are rather an insult already than ridiculous. However I think the Gam Guard is really cool! It has always been hard to get and was 60€/$75 alone on the bay here in Germany. I wish we got a sub-line with POTF coins for TVC as well. Hasbro will hopefully see that their "bread and butter" line hasn't got the strongest, most enthusiastic fans. So I'm watching this HasLab with a grin while customizing more for 3.75". Cheers!
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Today I looked again and its 5,106.
I think this one is gonna fail. They are just approaching it too complacently.
I will be honest when I first heard it was the Rancor I thought huh, that was probably something they could have pulled off in the regular line. When I saw how small it was for the scale I thought even more so.
I was hoping for a larger vehicle, something you know would be too big and too much cost for the regular black series line. Like a Walker, and not a scout walker either. This should have been a huge over the top type of thing that you would never see again offered and you know would never make regular retail again.
That being said, I am still backing it. I have a feeling if this fails we may not see a new Star Wars HasLab offering for a long time.
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Hasbro might think of 3.75" when it comes to vehicles. Many fans claim 1/18 scale is the heritage scale and made to interact with vehicles. I still see a chance that The Black Series will at least get the AT-ST. BUT one thing is really interesting when you think about it:
There are SO MANY other mid-size vehicles that Hasbro could have added to the 6" line BEFORE the Snowspeeder like the Bespin Cloud Car or a Jedi Starfighter. And they must be aware that people would call for the AT-AT then because the Snowspeeder interacted with it. They also included Dak, which makes it SPECIFIC to that scene. Instead, they could've also just released Zev's Snowspeeder to recreate the "search for Luke".
So now we're talking walkers: LEGO is going to unleash the UCS AT-AT at the end of the month. With $800 MRSP it's one of their most expensive sets of all time. So I wonder what Hasbro would charge for it. I was looking for a reference picture, but my old computer is broken. Many pictures got lost. Didn't find any complete AT-AT on google, but I remember that hemble made parts of it in 1/12 scale. YakFace shared a head of it by Brandon Flores (https://yakfaceforums.com/main/2014/10/07/customizer-spotlight-6-scale-at-at-wip/).
Speaking of vehicles I'm tempted to back the G.I. Joe Skystriker for 250€ instead...I think it provides much more value for the money and has got way cooler stretch-goals.
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I have a Walker head Hemble made for me in 6" Scale. It is massive, but so freaking cool.
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The final reveals happen today at 11AM including the painted version and the final unlocks.
I am guessing they are realizing they might have messed this one up all the way around.
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Agreed. And I wonder why they put not only us, but also themselves under such pressure EVERY time they announce a HasLab. I mean it's the month before Christmas, which is the most expensive for many fans and collectors. So why do they only give us 31 days or so to back it?! Not only do they launch 2 HasLabs at once, but the minimum amount of backers has risen from 6,000 to 9,000 plus neither of the teams have a complete version of their project READY TO GO!
Why is that so? Why don't they finish the prototype including all planned tier goals BEFORE they announce the project so that all who are potentially interested decide to back it right away?
They could use the remaining time to advertise their project and make it available worldwide. I mean there are bigger items than shipped around the planet and Haslow don't need to pretend they don't have the logistics for that.
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So after the Fan First Friday live stream the amount of pre-ordered units went down from 5,107 to 4,991 - guess that sums it all up...
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So the latest reveals are on the front pages:
Now onto my reaction. Uh, WTH!
There are even less backers this morning!
Why in the world one of the unlocks wouldn't have been the Rancor Keeper is unfathomable? Sometimes I wonder if anyone on the brand team has even watched Star Wars.
They need someone like me who can keep them from doing things like this! >:D
At this stage of the game I am seriously considering dropping this.
I am sure the folks at Hasbro are stupified their "reveals" yesterday didn't push this over the backing number.
Is it a cool offering? Yeah, but they should have either lowered their price point or really included some great unlock goals. I guess hindsight is 20/20, but for the Black Series I wish they had picked something a little more over the top.
I keep going back to an AT-AT. There is probably no way we would ever get an AT-AT other than a crowdfunding platform like this. Or a Death Star Playset (heck in any scale) or a Star Destroyer or man can you imagine a Dagobah Playset done for six inch scale. I mean out of all the cool larger 6" stuff you had to choose from? And the backing count has gone down as I am writing this.
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Yeah price was too high. Once they revealed the unlocks, people bailed. Lets be honest, unlocks aren't really made to be deciding factors. The unlocks for the razorcrest were pretty lame, but it didn't matter because the crest was worth it.
They have two other haslabs going simultaneously, and Super7 has that 500 dollar party bus, which is an insane price. I guess companies figure this time of year people just spend money without thinking. We aint getting any more stimmies, from the gubberment. Speaking of which inflation is through the roof, everything costs way more now.
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Yeah, whomever thought have three HasLabs going on at the same time was smart probably needs to have their head examined.
I mean the proton pack, the Skystriker, and the Rancor at the same time? It forces folks to choose between one and man the Rancor is last on that list.
I am almost tempted to revive the ole CAFN Podcast to talk about this.
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I have been sitting here debating all morning.
Now all I can notice is how the head fits onto this thing. I mean I know they did it for the articulation, but it looks horrible. I mean bad, bad, bad.
Gonna think on it some more.
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Out of the three haslabs the Ghostbusters proton pack is the only one funded. The striker is still at the halfway point too. The proton pack is cool. Nice to switch up to a prop. It's not for me, but it's cool. I don't know much about the striker, but i guess it's marketed for vintage figures, but why not just get a vintage striker?
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Now all I can notice is how the head fits onto this thing. I mean I know they did it for the articulation, but it looks horrible. I mean bad, bad, bad.
That's also the biggest issue I have with the design: The gap between head and neck looks awful. It rather looks like a tortoise, but not like a Rancor. I think the Legacy Collection Rancor for the 3.75" line has got a better sculpt, but the paint on the HasLab Black Series one looks better. Not perfect, but better...it's a shame.
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I just can't fathom why you would do three HasLab Projects at the same time?
I mean, from what I understood at the get go for HasLab, this was going to be a one project a year kinda over the top never being able to produce for the regular line due to size and or cost constraints.
I don't see how the Rancor fits into this other than trying to increase the price point. I don't see why this couldn't have come out at maybe $150.
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Backers are still going down. Guess this one is the first HasLab that won't make it! It just burns me because I bet we won't get any new Star Wars, let alone Black Series offering for HasLab in a good long while.
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Daily check in. It is down more.
Anyone think this is gonna make a resurgence the final day or so to make this viable. I think its a forgone conclusion this one is out.
I was also thinking maybe for the next HasLab they ought to do a Fan Site Vote like they have done for figures in the past. Anyone think that would be a good idea?
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I still think this one will break 9k when all orders from Zavvi and other international partners are added at the end. More afraid am I that the Hasbro brand team will not learn the lesson, then. I keep my fingers crossed for everyone who wants to have a 1/12 scale Rancor.
If this is not happening, there's still 3D printing.
If the brand team is smart, they do take a look at fan pages, which they said they do. When I interviewed Eric on Comic Con he said he knew the Shipyards! I know Steve does!
Their tier goals are nothing less but disappointing. I mean it's nice to add the smallest figure, Mr B Crumb to the Rancor, but it's a kick in the face for all TVC collectors at the same time because the Crumb AND the Mouse Droid were close to impossible to get. And giving them VC numbers was an insult to all completists out there. I'm glad I'm not one of them. I'd probably be mentally broken since.
At the moment, the Rancor a sinking ship hit by friendly fire. The brand team are sinking themselves. And this is nothing personal.
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Well its two days since I last looked and its about the same.
Still have my doubts this will be funded.
Sure hope they would do a fan vote for the next Star Wars HasLab.
I do think the team has a bit of disconnect for items the fans really want especailly for these higher priced items.
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Should of been Oola and the Rancor keeper, carded numbered black series figures. That would of hit it out of the park for the backers, probably.
Still no Razor Crest……sitting out in a seized container ship somewhere, possibly.
Don’t know about that one…
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About the same today. Man only 9 days left.
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This video by Can't Kill Chewie (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOqZa8YjbHsQh_HWwaATAGg) is so brilliatly on point that I just have to share it!
Star Wars Black Series Rancor Haslab Disaster! What Went Wrong?! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYtZujk9i6k)
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Since Hasbro announced that Malakili will be added to the Rancor as uncarded pack-in figure, it's gaining backers back - I guess. I wonder why the Skystriker, which I think is much cooler than the Rancor, seems to only gather backers slowly as well.
(https://i.imgur.com/aDnKRm6.jpg)
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From the info on the page. I like this a lot better!
"We really appreciate all the feedback we’ve received in an effort to make the HasLab Rancor the best possible dream product. With that, we realize we can't leave the most dangerous creature, the rancor, roaming the galaxy without its keeper. We will be adding a fully newly-tooled Star Wars: The Black Series Malakili figure to the base offering, funding at 9K units. Uncarded and ready for action, Malakili comes with his unique gaffi stick inspired by Star Wars: Return of the Jedi. This figure is in active development, and we will share renders as part of our backer updates if the project successfully moves into production.
This final additional figure can ONLY be added if we hit our target threshold of 9K backers before the campaign deadline (December 6, 2021). Thank you for your help in shaping this product in real time!
Help us defeat the Rancor – you’re our only hope!"
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Going back up too.
I wonder why they didn't send out any emails yesterday? I guess I could have missed them?
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Uncarded? Boo
Four days, I don’t think they are going to make it. Same with the sky striker. I think collectors balked at the pricing for both of these.
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I think they will probably extend it since the addition of rancor keeper was last minute. Even so I think a lot of people have already made up their minds.
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It is steadily climbing. I wonder if they will continue to let it run too as they announced the Keeper pretty late.
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Well it didn't make it!
Do you think that is the end for the Rancor?
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Sky striker looks like it could squeeze by if a few more pull the trigger
Too bad about the rancor, bring on that rancor keeper!
Perhaps the beast will become some stores pricey exclusive someday.
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Yeah its a shame. It was within 500 short of getting backed.
As an outside observer with no intrest in tbs at all, I think in the time between Patrick accidentally letting the rancor out of the bag and officially announcing the rancor, people speculated too much and expected a lot more for a lot less. There's no way they could meet those expectations. People wanted oola, rancor keeper gigan, all brand new sculpts, as tiers. Doesn't work like that. It was getting to the point people were hoping it would fail, which makes no sense to me. If you don't want it, don't buy it.
6 inch is starting to feel what 3.75 has been dealing with for many many years, with repacks, repaints, price increases and fewer accessories. I think the 6 inch fad has peaked.
It would be ironic if the Rancor keeper gets made. Then people will want the Rancor. If it didn't sell at $350 it won't sell at a minimum of $500 retail. People forget you aren't paying retail for haslabs, that's the wholesale price.
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Had this message in my inbox this morning. Feel a bit sad.
That being said, the more I looked at the Rancor the more I hated the design where the face meets the neck. I get the articulation folks would love that it would move a lot, but man to me it just looks bad. I would rather not have that arty for the face if it looks like that.
I do agree with JDeck that I think maybe this is the saturation point with the Black Series and perhaps they will see this and maybe try to do a 50/50 split now with offerings for the vintage collection and the Black Series.
So how long do you think it will be before we get a new Star Wars HasLab?
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I'm seeing a lot of discontent among Black Series collectors. Up until recently, they've been pretty positive, now they sound like TVC collectors lol. 3.75 has gone through a lot of adversity, but it's collectors are still loyal to the line. I don't know if TBS will fair as well. My brother was the biggest tbs collector when it first started, but now he's pretty much stopped. 3.75 is the world building scale, for Star Wars at least, that's important. Vehicles playsets and obscure background characters sell. I think 6" works best for Marvel and GI JOE, they're more character oriented. But yeah a 50/50 split would be fair at least. They have the capability of using the same sculpts for both scales now, so there's no excuse. They can double their money off the same sculpt.
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Here are some points that bug me beside the obvious: price tag and lack of creativity.
My main points to improve for future projects are:
Be prepared - have the final product ready by the time you reveal the new HasLab project, Hasbro.
C: I don't get why they decide to look unprofessional when they don't have to. Why don't they have a painted prototype ready to amaze thousands of fans to go full speed gathering backers right from the beginning on? It's been like that for all 3 STAR WARS projects so far. I'd rather go that extra mile and paint the prototype instead of taking the risk that I have to sink the entire project. The brand team seemed to have hesitated too long in my opinion. This project felt like being pushed into the schedule and the project seemed undone and not dedicated. I would've liked to know how tall the Rancor actually is. No I mean without his arms raised, just to know if it fits onto my shelves.
Provide some value - if Hasbro don't want to make their audience feel like they're biting on a cash grab, they should make up their minds in advance.
C: I mean offering the Rancor without daddy Malakili is like trying to sell the Skystriker without pilots, right?
Giran would be a nice stretch goal. If they claim $350 for just the Rancor, people deliberate about it's worth it. I don't know if it's possible for Hasbro to include 2 all-new figures with this project, but they'd release them in the main (P4) line anyway, right?
Oola is a different story with Di$ney being the new, obviously prude licensor.
Nine thousand - minimum amount of backers.
C: If I remember correctly, the Barge needed 5,000 and the Razor Crest at least 6,000 backers right?
I think it's not fair that the brand team or whoever it was at Hasbro decided to raise that number to at least 9k for the very first Black Series HasLab. They might have been slightly too enthusiastic towards their "bread and butter" line, which they think is The Black Series. Yes, I write this with my fullest malicious joy. Still I feel sorry for all fans who wanted this project to happen. This mismanagement could've easily affected 3.75" fans as well and did since 2012...
They should lower the minimum amount of backers and as JDeck already said, it was so close to happening. Less than 500 units away from 9k.
Lack of creativity - give us more than cardboard as a stretch goal!
C: The Gam Guard was nice! Salacious B. Crumb was nice (and a big middle finger to all TVC fans out there at the same time), Luke was nice and an all-new mold as well. The bones were nice, but a cardboard environment should have been part of the packaging right from the beginning. And the core project just didn't come with enough wow effect to make the product feel worth it from the beginning.
Sure, the packaging/cards is exclusive to HasLab. The coins were a nice tough as well. But Luke at 19,000 units was a little too euphoric, probably due to the stunning success of the TVC Razor Crest.
3 HasLab projects right before the Holiday Season. Seriously?
C: This is just a huge mismanagement by Hasbro. They cannot expect their long term fans to pre-pay all their bills for years i advance. I know the Pandemic has been extra expensive for everyone, but relying on the bills of your hard-working customers just isn't the way. Make a HasLab every 6 months or so.
I'm just glad I'm not a huge Black Series collector and didn't follow Hasbro's attempt to push collectors into the 6" line since 2013. I didn't like their treatment from the beginning on. Both scales shouldn't compete with each other. #BalanceTheScales
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Scott Toy Guru Neitlich also shared his thoughts on The Black Series Rancor on his YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg_CCOtabpHyZyCQkB8NsuQ), which I find worth to share:
Why did the Haslab Rancor fail and why are fans glad about this?
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Some of the comments they have been getting on their facebook post are pretty daggone awful. I mean I get it some folks are dissatisfied and I fell they are right to feel that way, but the way some of them go about communicating that are just bad.
I mean cmon try to be a little professional. Like JDeck and Philipp's points, all are sound and valid and are not flaming. Those I think Hasbro would listen too, but with all the flaming on there Hasbro will just think all those suggestions are trolls and make the same mistakes again.
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I give Hasbro a lot of slack, because I understand business, mostly on the distribution end, but a little of the manufacturing process. I've had experiences with most of their major retailers, and I know how Walmart is. They intimidated companies into getting what they want and breech contract with zero accountability. Complaining about Walmart exclusives is a lost cause.
I can assure you I'm not a hasbro shill or anything.
My biggest gripe was Pulse, but they've really improved things there. I actually got a courtesy email saying my stormtroopers will ship next week and to make sure my info was correct. That's nice. They keep product in stock. Im more satisfied now.
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I am definitely not a Hasbro promoter either, and can understand some of the frustration folks have, but simply cannot and will not condone the type of attitude and language some of the "fans" used against them when this failed.
One can critique and point out where things were missed. Still, at the end of the day, I don't know how fans who use this type of language and stance can ever get Hasbro to consider their views. I almost think some of them think, well if I flame better they will sure do it my way next time. I hate to even be remotely associated with those types of folks.
There were definitely some design, pr, and cost issues with this release. I kinda hope they go back and revisit that weird face articulation thing, but appreciate the fact that we had a new huge item we could decide on.
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I like junkmans assessment of the Haslab Rancor.
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I will give this a watch when I get a chance.
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The hype for this second Black Series roleplay project is breathtaking!
(https://i.imgur.com/vuzdEK3.jpg)
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Yeah, I noticed the other day this was good.
I doubt it breaks 2,000.
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To me those sabers are silly since their use as helicopter rotors in REBELS. Maybe it would sell better if Reva was a more liked character as well. $500 bucks or even 550€ ($600) is just beyond healthy. So glad to have gotten the Sail Barge for that money, instead.
Let's bet for 2k backers by the end of the countdown.
This is where the fun begins...
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We should start a bet Philipp. I guess it might make it to 2,000. I still doubt it though.
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At this point I don't even see Reva's lightsaber pass 1,600 pre-orders...don't know why that generates so much schadenfreude in me...maybe because I'm still falling in disappointment about the Kenobi show.
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I had to look up that word, man it nails it right on the head for this next HasLab project after the Rancor.
And then I see that HISS and just shake my head.
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The Fail is Complete
This is the second HasFail under the banner of The Black Series...
(https://i.imgur.com/oSNOjGO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fOP5lto.jpg)
Did anyone here back this project after all?
I hope not to see any more of Reva...I've had enough of this character already in a show that was not even hers!
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I just hope they are learning by these non backed projects.
I even think we all know how they could have gotten that Rancor backed too. I mean if they had just gotten the new Keeper and then a harness for Boba to ride him that would have been backed like yesterday.
Somehow Hasbro doesn't seem to know what is coming from Disney anmore? Something seems messed up there.
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Somehow Hasbro doesn't seem to know what is coming from Disney anmore? Something seems messed up there.
Absolutely! I also wonder who the heck sets those stupid due dates on HasLabs...I mean 40 days are pretty tight to back a hobby item in the $300-500 range right? Especially if they blow out 3 projects at the same time right before the Holiday Season...
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I know I don't understand it. I do feel that the time frame would probably be enough if the item was good. And the unlock tiers were good.
I would love to see them do a fan site poll for the next Star Wars HasLab Project.