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Imperial Creative Engineering => Dioramas => Topic started by: Darth Revenge on June 23, 2024, 02:24:27 AM

Title: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on June 23, 2024, 02:24:27 AM
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Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth More on June 23, 2024, 03:06:59 AM
Hey, welcome back Darth Revenge!

Your concept looks great so far! The ground structure seems to have the exact dimensions and the arches look superb! It's awesome to see you back and I can sense your motivation of starting multiple projects at the same time! Sky is the limit when it comes to ideas for Star Wars dioramas.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on June 23, 2024, 05:07:02 AM
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Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on June 23, 2024, 08:11:26 AM
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Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Starchaser on June 23, 2024, 08:16:28 PM
This looks really good so far. This is an ambitious project and it will be fun to watch it shape up.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on June 24, 2024, 10:37:09 AM
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Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on June 27, 2024, 10:09:50 AM
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Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth More on June 27, 2024, 11:05:02 AM
Telling by the steps and the arch, you did some fine cuts there! This setup looks absolutely accurate compared to the movie. Brilliant work-in-progress here. Thanks for all the updates!
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Starchaser on June 27, 2024, 10:21:41 PM
Nice! That is looking really good.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on June 28, 2024, 09:08:35 AM
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Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on June 29, 2024, 09:39:00 AM
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Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Tamer on June 30, 2024, 06:32:03 AM
Once again great to see you back. Dio looks like its off to a great start.

Off to share with your update.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on June 30, 2024, 09:02:57 AM
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Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Starchaser on June 30, 2024, 07:05:03 PM
That is so amazing. Really inspired work.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 01, 2024, 10:15:33 AM
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Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth More on July 03, 2024, 01:08:11 AM
Damn, is this HUUUGE! Amazing work on all forms and details. I'm truly impressed, Darth!
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 03, 2024, 10:07:18 AM
Trying to give a more natural texture to differents supports I use. See tomorow how "it works".
Second pix, try painting job on huttese glyphs. Finally, this arch doesn't seems really good to me, I've got another idea and ordered more foam. I will try this week-end. Only internal pillars made of foamcore, I want to cut them with the shape of the curve, and glue with foam. I also try huttese glyph on an 3mm foam band, for a cleaner result.

Too bad I don't have parts of Jabba newer vintage playset as a "physical" reference.



Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 05, 2024, 10:11:07 AM
Jabba's arch with foam face is no good using 5mm foam. If I use thickest foam, strain due to tension on main frame occurs. Never mind, go back with other material.

I also made some plasters casts.
Ewok's heads will be fine next to the BBQ behind Jabba  ;D ;D

Attempt to create a mold (for 10 years, I lost my hand) for part of the cantina of Nevarro, and use of the mold.  it lacks a bit of thickness.

The intended use is for the rear parts of the palace corridors.

Mix of plaster and paint give an acceptable result for texturing the walls. Lighter paint needed.

I also need to improve my painting techniques, especially accentuating reliefs and dirt.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 06, 2024, 07:43:35 AM
As planned, start a new arch, with a different front curve (but this time, references are token, for later re-use, needed for stands)
Arch is 2 cm higher, now it fit with other main walls.

Main cutting of main room's entrance done.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 07, 2024, 04:05:40 AM
Stands in front of Jabba in progress.
Not movie accurate, but I need to play with available space and offer a maximum of point of view inside the palace via those stands.
Not finished of course. I tried to use tile joint paste, the result is not conclusive. I think that the layer of plaster should be enough to hide the few defects in the fittings.
A slight shift in positioning means that the vault covers part of the corner of the passage to the intermediate room.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Tamer on July 07, 2024, 06:41:53 AM
Wow! You have made awesome progress, it looks great!

Off to share.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth More on July 07, 2024, 08:52:05 AM
You did a great job casting those parts in plaster! Thought they were made of resin.
This project is huuuge and so is your talent! Merci for sharing!
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Starchaser on July 07, 2024, 09:45:36 PM
I like the Ewoks heads :) This is a massive project, but it is looking really good so far. Thanks for sharing the process, your learning is ours too.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 08, 2024, 08:20:52 AM
I use plaster instead of resin only because I have a plaster bag opened :) No need to buy resin at this time (but I think it will be better for the Nevarro part mold, I broke 3 plaster casts at use).

Feel free to give me advice if you think it's necessary. I've rusted a lot with all these years without practice.

Thanks for comments and support guys :)

Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 08, 2024, 09:47:58 AM
Drawing floorplan of the last main scene has started  ;D

The elevator hole is visible (first shot). Ref in the SW Technical Journal, behind the curtain when Solo get out of the carbonite. I dont know yet how I will play with this, but I remember I didn't do it in the 2013 version and I regretted it.

So it's time to take my old home made Jarjar Carbonite out of its box  :P
(Starchaser, maybe it's my only not so bad custom)

I haven't been able to move forward as much as I would have liked , it's hard to concentrate with noisy neighbors who have no respect for their surroundings. It's a shame to bury yourself in the bush only to end up being more bored than in the city.

Edit : trying to make shots in a good orientation, fail :(
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 11, 2024, 11:13:10 AM
Time to play with soldering iron  ;D...

... and trying to have the good intensity for the lightning. Too strong here, last picture without any other light than the test white led.


Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 13, 2024, 08:14:10 AM
A few work on the room between carbonite and main room. 2 arches added on the walls.
I had made a mistake in the order in which the panels were pasted. Had to improvise to get a result that wasn't too bad.

First shot from the carbonite, second from the entrance.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth More on July 13, 2024, 10:21:17 AM
That's very fine work on the structure here. You've made some great progress!
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Starchaser on July 13, 2024, 06:49:36 PM
That's looking really good. Love the carbonite Jar Jar ;D (Its better than 'not so bad'.) Using the technical journal is a good idea, those provide excellent details like the elevator void. You are doing outstanding work.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Tamer on July 14, 2024, 05:43:23 AM
That light work looks great. Man definitely bringing this along.

Off to share.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 18, 2024, 09:51:57 AM
A few progress on the stand inside arch. I throw some plaster cast on the scene. ( Watto's box chairs used here).
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 19, 2024, 10:16:32 AM
Once again, foamcore ordered (fails cost a lot of money and time)
It's time to have a look on figures for crowding this palace...
Who said that I love Gamoreans ?  ;D
Some sorting always needed, and finding some missing figures. Mains are here, it's a good start  ;D

Near Carbonites, you can see 3 Tauntaun's heads   I casted in 2013. They need some work (horns first).

Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: JDeck on July 19, 2024, 06:07:31 PM
Epic project! This is really awesome. I made a jabba's palace custom fit for a shelf, but it's nothing anywhere close to this.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Starchaser on July 20, 2024, 12:36:46 AM
Nice collection of figures...where are all the Jabba's going to go?
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 20, 2024, 01:17:30 AM
One in main room, one in elevator next to carbonite block, the third where planned to be in his barge in 2013.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 20, 2024, 07:59:41 AM
Cut of carbonite's room stairs done (those stairs are on the left wall, behind a curtain).
I sand the stairs a litte, and prime them.

I also cast some items for a next use, maybe in Jabba, maybe in Nevarro non-sense.
Some boxes are planned for the Death Star.

I've been procrastinating for a few days to start the grid in front of the throne. I'm looking for the method of lazy... Cut in the foam? Create a kenner throne mold and duplicate at least 6 times?  I hesitate... Maybe buy 3d, but the satisfaction will not be the same.

Title: Starting Carbonite wall
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 21, 2024, 01:32:21 AM
An important wall... Cannot be movie accurate due to size restrictions (approx 10 cm missing, it make a difference), so, why not have some fun on it ?
Drawing rules and holes, I added 2 cyclops casts from the 1983 Jabba's Throne. I really like them. I remember an old Jabba's Palace I made years ago, I putted those heads everywhere :)
The carbonite block is from the TVC Slave One, hanged on the wall by magnets.

Trophies doesn't please me, but they will do the job at this moment. I must put them lower.

I need to find a way for lightning/shadows effects on this wall part. I think I made an error on the total height of the diorama. with 5-10 cm higher, it was be more easy to play with lights.

Command panel is a cast of a sandtrooper backpack part. Pipe is a cast of the POTF AT-AT inside screen who contains batteries.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 21, 2024, 05:20:26 AM
Test for Carbonite, not so bad, maybe too strong with this type of Led.
I needed to cut the elevator's arch for creating space for carbonite arch and lightning.

I'm going to try with an LED strip and try to create the holes that will give the desired result. It's not won, but who dares wins. I'm getting ready for long cutting sessions  DH

With all that, it's starting to look like something recognizable, even for someone who isn't a fan of Star Wars.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Starchaser on July 21, 2024, 09:32:09 PM
Looking really good! I get wanting to find a "lazy" way to do things, but your quality is excellent. I like those cyclops heads too :)
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 23, 2024, 11:37:19 AM
I'm happy !! I find a way to do what I want with the tiny space left for lightning. The "cheat"  is using cardboard instead of foam core for the grid cut. Place the grid as low as possible, the light as higher as possible. Tested with standalone 5 mm led. Tomorrow I schedule to test with led strip and grid for the entire carbonite arch.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Starchaser on July 23, 2024, 09:01:07 PM
The grid looks right! I'll be curious to see how the next experiment works out.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on July 24, 2024, 09:58:56 AM
As planned, I tried with led strip.
the two main problems with this are :

I'm stubborn... So I put duck tape on 2 of the 3 emitter.
I need to find the better position of the strip to have a result like yesterday.
I'm also unlucky... My 20 years old 12v electric  power supply died (of course, it's my only one).

Instead of doing as Kylo Ren would do in this case , I simply do ...



nothing else for today. It's better.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on August 15, 2024, 11:21:30 AM
As movie accurate as possible is great, but I must change my projects.

I spent a few hours reviewing my plans and finding a way to expose as many elements as possible without losing too much space.

I have to go from "faithful to SW technical" to "shelf mode".

This is not necessarily a bad thing, I took the opportunity to review the overall layout in the small room, taking into account the arrival of the Cantina in October 2025 and to be able to install it when the time comes without having to move everything.

It also allows me to place the Rancor under the courtroom, and I'd be more comfortable creating the droids' torture chamber.

The bad news is that the pits will have to be moved and lose length.

I plan to make new stands, fewer in number, and will move from facing the throne to another position to guarantee maximum visibility from the central point of view of the room (between Jabba and the Death Star).

The changes have begun. There's a lot of work to do!

Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Starchaser on August 15, 2024, 05:42:07 PM
That is a lot of work! But...you have to make it workable for the space. I'm excited that you will have a Rancor space, though. That's really cool.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on August 18, 2024, 02:54:14 AM
2 days working on new stands. 2 days of fails...
Results never please me. Stands too smalls and/or arch with a bad visual render, loss of space and can't be modular.

I'm going to try a new approach to the problem, resulting in a redesign of the middle room and trophy room in order to get the modularity I'm hoping for.

Wanting to save raw material, I will first do a test using scraps and cardboard and move on to the production phase if the result suits me. It will take me time (precious thing, I constantly lack it) but if the result is what is expected, the "sacrifice" made will pay off

Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on August 20, 2024, 08:03:33 AM
And here is the result. The front façade of the stands is still missing, which takes up the curve of the throne arch.
Honestly, I don't like it, even if I'm well aware that the exposed surface is much larger and that the visibility is much better.

Somehow, I have to rework the curves of the middle piece that no longer correspond to the overall design of the whole.

If anyone has any suggestions I'm interested.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on August 20, 2024, 10:14:30 AM
This time, I think It's the good one :)
Who says size doesn't matter ?

This is only skeleton, using all I found/made for this Palace.

Stands at their place, in front of Jabba.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Starchaser on August 21, 2024, 12:31:47 AM
Wow...that is looking fantastic!
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on August 21, 2024, 09:03:49 AM
Thank you Jeff  :D

Today goal reached. Giving the arch curve to the entrance door. The door now aligns with the throne, no more visual lag that was killing my eyes.
Next step is the middle room between main room and carbonite.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on August 22, 2024, 08:14:40 AM
Some updates :
Middle room done, join with carbonite room.
Try of display with some figures before further building (still using craps and failed parts).
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on August 23, 2024, 09:02:08 AM
Use of wedging to give the basic structure of the Rancor cave.

And it also serves as support for higher levels. Not very beautiful, very ugly even, for now, I think I still have a few hours of work to do.
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth More on August 26, 2024, 12:19:56 AM
I can only agree with previous commentators. Your setup looks amazing! Look what I just found on YouTube. This full digital design of Jabba's Palace might be very inspiring for you and your interior design. This video is such a great source for reference.
You are on fire with this project, Sir!

http://www.imperialshipyards.net/SMF/index.php?topic=11210.0
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Darth Revenge on August 26, 2024, 10:44:05 AM
I have some contact with the creator of this insanity :D It's possible I order some parts for 3D printing
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: JTrooper on September 04, 2024, 11:24:20 AM
Great job on this one
Title: Re: Back to Jabba's Palace
Post by: Starchaser on September 05, 2024, 03:27:44 PM
I like how the Rancor pit is shaping up