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Feedback Discussion
« on: August 30, 2010, 07:52:31 AM »
Ok, I first want to say I'm sorry for my previous "rant" on this subject.  I was quick to post that and I came off as accusatory, that was not my true intent.  I'll be the first to admit that I'm a bit of an internet "hot-head" and usually type before I think about the consequences.  That being said, I want to make this a civilized discussion about leaving more constructive feedback in a forum setting.

I personally look for feedback specifically on the customs that I produce and the threads that I post about them.  ANY kind of feedback that shows me people are viewing my work is appreciated.  I know it sounded like I wasn't appreciative before in my rant and I'm sorry for that, I really do appreciate any and all comments. 
However, I like to see comments that are structured in a way that actually tell me something about what I did right or wrong in a custom.  When I’m reading feedback like “wow that looks awesome” it is nice to know that you like my work, and you like the way it looks, but if you explain WHY you like the way it looks it will help me to make better customs in the future.   For instance, instead of saying “that looks great”, pick out what looks best and comment on that saying “the parts usage is excellent, and so are the paint apps!”  I would like it even more if you went into further discussion and maybe asked a question about something you don’t recognize or ask how I did a certain aspect of the figure. For instance: “wow the new torso looks great, what figure is that from?” or “The weathering on this is superb, did you use a dry-brushing technique?”
Now, if you happen to have a negative response or don’t like something about the custom then I appreciate hearing about that as well!  In fact I probably take negative criticism to heart MORE-so than positive because it drives me to fix mistakes, or at least to explain my thoughts and my work better. 
When you criticize though I ask that you don’t just flame or call something stupid, but rather if you be constructive and attempt to be at least a little bit sincere in your efforts to call attention to problems with my work.  For instance instead of saying “this figure looks like total crap” you could say “the parts you used don’t work well and the paint applications could use some work.”   This brings attention to the areas that I might need to work on and improve.
The third issue I have had problems with is the excessive use of smileys and expletives.   Colorful descriptions of your flabbergasted amazement don’t impress me much.  I’ll be the first to admit that I fall into that routine when I see something that truly amazes me and leaves me speechless, but I usually try to attempt to at least follow up my statements with some kind of observation, question, or specific compliment. 

So…. All of that being said I hope that (again) no one takes this personally.  This is not an ATTACK on anyone, rather a request.  I can-not stop this issue, but I can bring it to everyone’s attention and hope that people think harder about what they have to say.  I feel that if you are going to take the time to hit reply, then you can at least take the time to explain your response as well.

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Re: Feedback Discussion
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2010, 07:58:06 AM »
Ok, hopefully I've better explained myself here and now I'm going to be the first to explain some of my ideas on how to possibly ease some tension...

Hopefully everyone here is familiar with facebook?  Is everyone familiar with the "like" button? 
I think that if there was a way to have a "like" button installed in the forum it'd be awesome.  That way, if you realy like something but can't find the words to explain why you like it you can simply "like" the post!  THEN if you have something more to say other than "I love this!" you can reply and post your comment...

Deviantart.com uses a similar system.  It is a website that hosts people's artwork in a gallery format.  Individual users can add images to their favorites lists and this will inform the creator of the work that somone has "faved" their image.  Much like facebook's "like" button this is an easy way for people to appreciate someone's work.  At the same time you can also leave comments on people's images and leave more engaging feedback which could lead to discussions, questions answered, and so on and so forth...

so...  yeah, I doubt that a similar technique is possible for a forum like this, but it's a good idea.  I realize that it wouldn't STOP the "two word reply" from happening but it could ease it up a bit. 

and again, I'm not saying that a "two word reply" isn't WRONG in any way, it just could be better...

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Re: Feedback Discussion
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 08:24:18 AM »
One thing we could add is a "smiley" button that says like or outta site or something like that, but it could get the same overuse that you were talking about with smilies in general.

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Re: Feedback Discussion
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2010, 08:39:39 AM »
One thing we could add is a "smiley" button that says like or outta site or something like that, but it could get the same overuse that you were talking about with smilies in general.
probably...  and at the same time you would still have to actually make a reply post to use a smiley like that, and if your going to have to hit reply, and then post something you might as well just write it out.  and I have a feeling that if there was another smiley we'd get more posts that amount to 10 or so "like" smileys lined up across the page. 

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Re: Feedback Discussion
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2010, 09:41:38 AM »
Spud, this is now a great discussion in my opinion. I now agree with you on everything but one point, and that is OK because we all have our own opinion on things. I love flamboyant over the top comments. I love reading them and have tried to leave a few when I was blown away by something. I understnd some people may not like that and that is cool with me, different strokes to make the world go around or something like that. It would be a better community if everyone had time to leave more detailed feedback and hopefully this discussion will make people think when they hit the reply button. Good job rewording this and posting it for anyone to chime in on.  As you said we are not looking for poetry or an essay but constructive criticism so everyone can get better.

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Re: Feedback Discussion
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2010, 01:47:04 PM »
it isn't realy that I don't like it... honestly some of them just come off as corny or hyped up just for the sake of making a flamboyant fuss about something.   sometimes I think it comes off more like "brown nosing" than actually complimenting someone...