I appreciate that, I look forward to full articulation, for if anything, customizing, and likely with TVC there will be at least a few I want, depending on price (did they release a price point?). Going from spending hundreds a year to zero is heart braking... But that's the thing for me, I'm the get what what I like collector, there has to be something I want for Hasbro to get my money. However I must ask a collector like yourself, why fuss about Ben, or no Ben if you'll buy the winner regardless? I mean not voting wise, vote for what you want to see made the most, but if he ends up on the Hasbro submission, or not? Like the votes are there, and he didn't even get first. A frequent topic on site is for more voters, we get more votes, but then we take votes away? And by taking them away means they don't matter, ergo what those who voted for him wanted mattered less than those who voted for anyone else. This pot was stirred by both parties reading through all this, and personally I think we should be able to at least agree that adding rules after the fact is wrong, so let's plan better next year, and that all votes matter, how would you feel if the Tonnika Sisters were taken off when you voted fairly? I'm not asking us to agree, or all be happy with the outcome, just find common ground in some basic, sensible principles.