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San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« on: July 17, 2011, 08:24:07 AM »


Well this week is the week we will see what new goodies are in store for us this Fall. We are glad to announce that we are getting special coverage from Echo Base Forums who have been kind enough to share their footage and we will also share what info. the main retailers like Hasbro share with us as next weekend enfolds. Please use this thread to post what new images or information you would like to share as you visit various sites and places, but please when you post new info, please refer to the site from which the information originally came from. It is just in good taste to do so and thank you for your posts. I look forward to seeing what the ISY folks find out.
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Re: San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2011, 06:29:29 PM »
This is a show I always want to attend, but haven't had the time or money to do so.  I have to be honest, I could absolutely care less what kind of hot garbage Hasbro wants to show off this time.  The constant repaints, rehashes, and absolute drivel that they have been pumping out is so completely uninspiring and unoriginal that I've almost completely given up on the entire company in relation to Star Wars.  Not to mention, most of the new stuff they HAVE shown off is virtually impossible to find because the pegs are clogged with the crap that NO ONE WANTS!!!!! 

That tirade aside, I AM looking forward to some of the other companies unveilings.  The only Hasbro items I am interested in are the Marvel Universe figures.  Sideshow is unveiling new products daily on their site, with their exclusives hitting at the convention.  Gentle Giant has revealed some new products that will be at the con, and they usually show off some newer items that haven't been seen yet.

Regardless of product, this is a convention like no other, the biggest of it's kind in the world, and I would LOVE to be there!  Anyone out there going?

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Re: San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2011, 08:36:32 AM »
Pat I hear you on the Hasbro thing. I am trying to decide if I want to go through the hassle of trying to get the Death Star Exclusive. We'll see, but I couldn't agree with you more on the impossible to find tirade. Add my name to that list.

I would still be lieing if I didn't say I was curious as to the identity of the next big Vintage Ship. I am thinking Slave I repaint, but all kinds of rumors abound.

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Re: San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2011, 09:05:59 AM »
Bantha Skull have written an open to letter to Hasbro,it makes interesting reading ...

SDCC Not A Time for the “Collector Pullback” Message
Posted by Chris on 07/12 at 04:51 PM

The annual San Diego Comic Con is a mere week away at this point. As we eagerly await preview night on the 20th and the slideshow presentation on the 22nd, we have a slight knot on our collective stomachs about the elephant in the room. We can all see that the Vintage Collection has been faltering since Christmas time. This is despite a sale rate that surprised even this hardened collector in the months leading up to the holidays. Stores were selling through a majority of the inventory at a jaw dropping pace.

So while we look forward to the slideshow presentation, we’re worried that we might hear a familiar refrain: a shaky economy and collector pullback have caused the line to under perform.

Hasbro, if you read this, here is caution number one:

Blaming your customers this time around would be a colossal misstep.

What may well have been a contributing factor in 2009 does not enter the equation this time around. We have been supporting the line. Brick and mortar retail stores simply are unable or unwilling to replenish their stock. At the time of this article, my local Target has 11 figures on the pegs and has not received a single new case of Vintage Collection figures since December! By the time SDCC rolls around it will have been seven months since this store received new product aside from a few Empire wave duds that were rotated in from another store by a collector turned vigilante Hasbro rep.

Caution number two:

Don’t deflect the collector anger by urging people to order via e-tail.

The retail experience is part of the thrill for many collectors. So while e-tail is nice as a reserve chute, it will only keep collector interest afloat for short bursts and isn’t a viable long term solution (read 7+ months). Plus, the case assortments don’t exactly inspire bulk purchases. More on that will follow. So let us rewind the tape a little and give you our wholly amateur take on the situation.
The sell through rate becomes a curse

So while stores were cranking through cases and cases of Vintage Collection they were also starting to pile up some slow selling inventory. Depending on the level of collector interest this may have started with the Empire Strikes Back wave. For every awesome all new Luke Bespin that appealed to the whole spectrum of consumers, stores were also saddled with a re-release of 4-LOM which has a more niche collector appeal that was largely sated during the Thirtieth Anniversary Collection. So while stores were replenishing and selling through dozens of cases of the Empire Strikes Back wave, their inventory turnover engines were also getting gunked up with dozens of 4-LOM figures. Conclusion: Figures with broad spectrum appeal need to be shipped at least 2:1 to re-release figures with only niche appeal. Things were about to get worse.
Learn what makes a legit army builder

Specific troopers that only appear in small squads and have been in constant rotation for years, such as the Sandtrooper, do not make good army builders. This figure had some initial appeal because of the card, and was actually a good seller at first for that reason. But that was almost the limit of the appeal. Then there is the all white ROTS clone. Troopers who barely appear on film, if at all, and ship with missing paint apps, discolored accessories AND are available concurrently in the less expensive Saga Legend line are a dreadful army builder. They should be viewed every bit as niche as the aforementioned 4-LOM.

So for every awesome all new Darth Sidious that stores would sell through quickly, they were forced to also take on a niche appeal Sandtrooper and a defective niche appeal Clone Trooper. Yes, the green helmets are a defect. Something that some collector sites (raises hand) tried to warn you about and even submitted samples from their personal collections. It was either the responsibility of Hasbro or the retail partners to defect those items out of the system. But it got worse. Those same niche and defective figures were carried forward into the Return of the Jedi cases. So during the holidays while the Jedi wave was selling at a blistering pace, stores were also accumulating Sandtroopers and green helmeted clones at the same blistering pace. But it got even worse. After stores couldn’t replenish the Jedi wave fast enough, the Revenge of the Sith wave made a frankly unneeded retail resurrection. This time without the awesome all new Darth Sidous. Conclusion: Only figures that actually appear in on screen armies (not squads) and are not defective and have not had been overly served in recent years should be given the heavy carry forward army builder treatment.

Side note: Army builders without helmets and distinctive facial hair are not good army builders either. If we can see the human face or head of the trooper, it needs to be generic enough so that displaying multiples of them doesn’t look like the Kaminoans second attempt at a clone army. Or pack them with extra swappable heads (this would be a big win).

So now stores were mired in virtually worthless inventory. “Virtually worthless” is hardly hyperbole as can be seen by the online e-tailer Big Bad Toy Store’s prices for new figures vs. repacks. They charge $110 for complete cases, but are now charging $90 for the six new figures by themselves. This isn’t a case of gouging. This is economics. The balance of the figures represents such poor sellers that they are forced to recover most of their money from the desirable figures.
The noose tightens almost completely

So up to the holidays stores were accumulating inventory that would either sell very slowly or, in the case of clearly discolored product, will never sell. Spread across rows of pegs, it was a bit of punch line or like a really offensive smell. Sure it stinks, but you laugh at how much it stinks. Then the post holiday reset came and the pegs were knocked down by a third to half. Now that poor selling inventory started to become a dominating presence at retail. We were eagerly awaiting the Attack of the Clones case with many sure fire sellers, but like a flower amongst too many weeds, it was effectively choked out. Computerized inventory systems presumably recognized what our eyes could see. Stores had plenty of Vintage Collection stock on hand relative to the available floor space, but they were generating almost no cash register sales. The system resets the aisles again. Now Vintage Collection is relegated to four pegs or fewer in most cases and the toxic stock has effectively sounded the death knell on any new product hitting our stores. Conclusion: Hasbro, you customers didn’t cause this problem and they need your help.
SDCC is a time for an upbeat message

Hasbro, we collectors are as bothered by the slow sales of Vintage Collection as you are. Give us hope that you recognize the problems and don’t deflect them onto your customers. Tell us you’re going to work with the retail partners to expand the Vintage Collection footprint at retail to give the line some room to breathe and get the sales volume cranking again. Tell us you’re going to enact a mini TARP and collect those figures that may never sell from retail. Tell us you realize you’ve made missteps in the case assortments, but have a better gauge of the demand for specific figures. Tell us these things and we will do our part to support the Vintage Collection line and get it back to being the impressive success it started out as.
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Re: San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2011, 02:06:31 PM »
Well written and well analyzed, but let's be honest; Hasbro will brush this all off because their "experts" have done the market analysis and it is all the collectors' fault.  Bottom line is, no one at Hasbro has any idea what it means to collect, have no idea what the state of the hobby is, and have no idea what drives the market truly.

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Re: San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2011, 10:01:48 PM »
Personally, and I know Hasbro would say otherwise, I think the market "research" is long outdated.  they still sound the way they did back in the 80's even though the whole of the market has changed drasticly.  I firmly believe the "collector lack of support" excuse is just that.  Same with the "lack of retailer interest" in most cases (especially after they turned WM around on GI Joe POC this year, this is years of excuses they couldn't effect anything on the retail level with GI Joe which lead to Sigma Six crap).  Well hopefully this weekend will be more joy than gripe, we'll see.  But at this point I am preped for disapointments cause I am seeing repaint-a-pollosa already in the listings for upcoming figs, but they can pull out some surprizes still.

OK my rant off now. 

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Re: San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2011, 05:54:34 AM »
I agree that BS has a well thought out letter, but it will fall on deaf ears. Lets face it, anything where Hasbro has to admit fault is never gonna happen, even with those daggone green and yellow helmed stormies and rots clones on the vintage pegs.  They blame collecters when things don't sell and then say they make SW figures for the kids when they make a product so horrible you can't get it to stand because "kids don't care about articulation."

LOL. That being said, SDCC is more than just Hasbro and even though we will no doubt be very interested in seeing what new Hasbro items they show us, I do agree that the GG, Sideshow, and other etailers besides Hasbro will get more notice from me this year.

I also got a note from EBF yesterday saying they are ready to decend on the Con and are ready to send things our way. Thanks again to EBF for sharing their coverage and taking requests for what we would like to see.

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Re: San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2011, 06:26:34 AM »
oh i agree shawn i too am also interested in what GG and Sideshow have to show, i just thought that the Bantha Skull letter made interesting reading...
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Re: San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2011, 06:27:59 AM »
plus so much has leaked i'll be watching the slideshow with interest as a lot of it is already for sale ...lol
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Re: San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2011, 06:32:14 AM »
oh i agree shawn i too am also interested in what GG and Sideshow have to show, i just thought that the Bantha Skull letter made interesting reading...

Oh I do agree Jay and I am glad you shared it with us. I just get so tired of dealing with them(Hasbro) and their BS literally. Like our questions which were due back on the 13th. Ofcourse they can be late whenever they want, but if we get our questions in a minute late we get the shaft. But its no use dealing with things I can't control and we can only hope someone else gets the license in 2018.

plus so much has leaked i'll be watching the slideshow with interest as a lot of it is already for sale ...lol

LOL. I agree. I wonder how many times they have had to change their slideshow because of folks like Tunghori and other Sites leaking photos. How we haven't seen the next big vintage vehicle is a credit to their secrecy this time out though.

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Re: San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2011, 09:45:09 AM »
I agree that BS has a well thought out letter, but it will fall on deaf ears. Lets face it, anything where Hasbro has to admit fault is never gonna happen, even with those daggone green and yellow helmed stormies and rots clones on the vintage pegs.  They blame collecters when things don't sell and then say they make SW figures for the kids when they make a product so horrible you can't get it to stand because "kids don't care about articulation."

Something to add to that which has kind of occured to me.  They say they do this for kids, ok fine.  Yet EVERY bit of marketing and promotion they have towards thier lines (I am lumping the Marvel lines and GI Joe and even Transformers in here as well) is geared to the adult collector.   The conventions, the press releases to fan sites and G4, even the cartoon series seem to come on at more adult appropreate time frames even though they are obviously geared to kids.  Marketing 101 tells you to market to your primary audience, and yet no commercials (with the exception of an occasional Clone Wars and Transformers) and rarely (if ever) any word other than what the adult orented fan sites say.  The Q&A's are geared to those fan sites, facebook and other social media only build off the fan sites. Add to that the numbers of exclusives that are simply impossible for kids to get at (for both price and availabity), the frequency of releases (I mean how is a KID supposed to keep up with so many waves a year, how are they even supposed to know it's available, half the time they don't even have who's out on the back of the figure box or if they do it's jsut one or two of a 6 figure wave).  At essence they are NOT targeting the primary audence they say they do this for-KIDS!

I'd probably be a little more ok with Hasbro saying they are targeting kids for sales, if they were ACTUALLY doing that.  I THINK they count a bit too much on word of mouth from movies ect to compensate for a lack of information, but seriously if you want to know anything about any line you have to go looking for it and not in the obvious places either.   Makes me wonder what are they paying Hunter PR for. 

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LOL. That being said, SDCC is more than just Hasbro and even though we will no doubt be very interested in seeing what new Hasbro items they show us, I do agree that the GG, Sideshow, and other etailers besides Hasbro will get more notice from me this year.

Very great point, although Hasbro has my 3 favorite properties (GI Joe, Marvel and of course Star Wars) so generally that is the first place I look.

But there is  also (probably) stuff from Unimax (Who do the Crysis and Assassian's creed lines) as well as Jazzwares (who probably will be showing MOrtal Kombat YAY! and street fighter lines) and a few surprizes I am sure. 

For the sake of Arguement let's just say Hasbro totally bombs, there still will be some stuff to see.  OK I admit I have given up on Mattel though after the GL figs. 

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Re: San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2011, 11:19:04 AM »


I found this via Yakface on facebook from a site called superherohype.com. I am trying to upload their sdcc gallery now, but my horrible internet speed is once again a factor.

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Re: San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2011, 02:36:09 PM »
http://www.imperialshipyards.net/SMF/index.php?topic=7038.new

Thats the preview thread for the 1/6 Scale Boba Fett. That puppy deserved its own thread.

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Re: San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2011, 03:47:02 PM »
Not SW related but a bunch of Marvel Universe stuff is being shown at Toyark.com, New (and cool) Hulk, Iron man is unmaskable (Told you LOL), Beta Ray BILL!!!! Psylocke, New DD and Magneto, Beast, Patriot from Young Avengers, Ages of Thunder Thor, some cool stuffs. 

Link for those interested:  http://www.toyark.com/news/san-diego-comic-con-58/sdcc-2011-marvel-universe-4425/

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Re: San Diego Comic-Con 2011
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2011, 05:42:23 PM »
Curious if there's anything new about Darth Vader's Tie Fighter...

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